From the beginning "Man, woman, wife" the true value of a woman.

I've heard some pretty sad accounts by Christian men about the positions the wife/woman fill in a marriage. If these few verses doesn't answer the main question about why God created women as wives then we need (as men) to apologize to our wives for our ignorance.

Genesis 2: 20-24

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1. She is a "Help Meet."

Help Meet does not mean a whipping post for all our ungodly emotions, undisciplined desires, or a personal servant.

2. He (God) took a rib and closed up the flesh. And the rib He had taken from man, He (God) made a woman and brought her to man.

Taking the rib and closing up the flesh shows that she cannot go back from whence she was made to be one, but that she would become one with him through the God ordained order of marriage.

3. He brought her to man!

God brought her to man. Man didn't date, go online, search bars, but God brought her to man. Get that picture? Man wasn't even looking and God met his need with a Help Meet that He deemed necessary as a life partner.

4. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So now we are told by God to leave our father and mother and cleave to our wives, and become one flesh.

Notice how man is made whole again by "cleaving to his wife"? She can't enter into that rib area but she can "become one" once again by cleaving to each other. So man in the physical realm is, in a sense made whole again" by cleaving to his wife. So the wife/woman "by God's design" completes the husband/man so that the two can become one in the sight of God, from whence man is made in His image and likeness, and she in the man's image and likeness thereby in the image and likeness of God by coming from man. Man and woman become one person and both become in the image and likeness of God. Man first (first person in creation), then woman (second person in creation) through man.

Scripture says that "a man should love his woman/wife as he loves himself", "his own body!" Woman is a part of "his own body" through a rib creation. So he is commanded to love her with equal passion and devotion because that's the way it was set up in the beginning. Later in the NT this fact is discussed more with more guidelines laid out. You men should go look them up, the search will do you good as it will be in context not just this introductory version.

Every time Jesus was asked a hard twisted question that seemed to go against the law he would say "in the beginning" giving God's perfect design not the twisted version of the time He lived in. Any questions? Just go back to the beginning and the Holy Spirit will make all things clear to us "in His time.

Love God.

Love your wives.

Love one another.

Love never fails.

Love makes the people loved become "precious" in our sight.

Love

J&E in Tn

Tonight God moved me

Tonight I was watching a movie with my wife and interwoven within it's theme was the basis of "religion" and a semblance of "Bible believing."
As this theme developed towards the end of the movie, my heart began to break because of the authenticity of the failures that it manifested in the lives of those who were supposed to believe.
Why?
Because there are many (possibly the majority) of believers who actually have no foundation for their faith. Things get hard, hope fails, evil seems to triumph, and despair sets in. Those who were once strong become weak, those who were once wise become foolish, those who were once victorious are defeated. No foundation! In church every Sunday, yes. Sunday school, yes. Wednesday nights, yes. Having what seems to be a "good foundation" when sand was the base, not rock!
We all react differently when bad or evil comes against us, but we all partake of the same Savior, Spirit, and grace. Again why? It's simple. We all have the same potential but it's how we "enter in" to that potential that makes the difference. Some enter by shear will power or strength, some enter by "faith" with humility and meekness that comes through genuine grace.
One of the problems:
I have said it before but it begs repeating again,
"All Scripture is God breathed", and "the spiritual man knows all things." What makes you a "spiritual man"? Certainly the only answer is the Holy Spirit through the blood of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
But wait! Maybe you don't believe that? Maybe your definition of "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" is a different "way" than what God's Word says? Maybe, just maybe, God wasn't being specific about this matter and it's open to "INTERPRETATION"?
Alas, the whole root of the problem is laid naked, we are wiser than God!
So many who "proclaim" the Word of God for salvation ignore the rest of it and pick and choose what chapters and verses are still "FOR TODAY"!
Their weakness comes from the "incomplete" Word of God.
Let me make this a little more obvious:
God's Word "cannot change." Therefor God cannot change as God and His Word are one in the same.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in Three Persons. Nothing now, before, or in the future will ever fail about the Word of God. He said it and like it or not YOU cannot change it. You have not the power, or the authority to do so, regardless of all your training, teaching, or twisting, "Let God be true and every man a liar." That ends that part.
If the above be True then any Scripture that doesn't fit you, or hasn't worked for you is still "Unchanging Scripture" and you are the one that's wrong, in other words a "liar."
Whether or not it has "happened to you" in your walk, or whether or not you have experienced it doesn't make you the authority as to it's valid place in the believers life today. God said it so that ends it regardless of "your opinion!" In fact if you contradict the Word of God because you lack the anointing to walk in it then you are a deceiver "having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof."
Stating it rightly: "Your lack of faith in the Word has reaped what you have sown, plant little do to lack of faith, reap little or nothing."
Because you built on sand don't tell others that you will help them build their house next door.
God is omniscient, that means "He knows all", every thought, every invention, every piece of wisdom, from before creation to the very end.
To us His Word is prophetic but to Him it's a "story already told" before it happens. You cannot outsmart Him, surprise Him, or impress Him in any way, not by thought, word or deed. Nothing is new to Him.
In that unfathomable Wisdom He presented us His written Word. Perfect in choice of Words, sentence structure, spirit and presentation. No need to interpret what the all wise God has written, He wrote it for us to understand it perfectly "by His Spirit." If you seek wisdom aside from His plan, you will end up submitting yourself to your own ideas which "fall short of His Glory."
As I have said in the past: if you eliminate any chapter or verse in the Bible what part of Christ or His Body are you eliminating? The mouth maybe, that would be His prophetic calling both in Himself and His church. What about the eye or ear? What do they represent of His physical being and in the Body of Christ? Remember, whether we can fathom it or not "His Word became flesh and dwelt among us", the written Word came to life in body form, representing perfectly in the flesh Jesus Christ as He appeared "in due time."
If you believe anything else than this then your foundation is built on sand, that's why it cannot stand when the storms of evil assail us. Our armor is incomplete and we try to stand on our own instead of us having "His strength in our weakness."
Like it or not "His Word is our meat and drink." So if you only eat the "feel good" offerings in the Bible what will your spiritual strength have to draw on in the "day of battle."
Paul commands us to "move from milk to "real meat." Real meat........the whole Word of God, not just the desserts, strong meat.
How you "feed"on His Word is how you will respond to the rigors of spiritual battles in "high" places. Fight or fold? You decide.
Faith was never meant to be just the trump card to getting into heaven, but the conduit to grace that brings all the precious promises of God to us through Christ. He does this so that He can lift Him (Christ) up to call all men unto Himself. How does He do that? By backing up every believer who preaches the gospel by word or action, with a witness of signs and wonders that no other God can do to prove that only He is the True God, and only His Word is the True salvation.
So if your faith is little or weak you will not believe (wholeheartedly) Scripture to the "preforming" of it through Gods promises to us in Christ.
Note: Christianity was designed to be an "EXPERIENCE" through faith of all the power and demonstration of our God to a dying mankind that needs eternal rescuing.
If you don't believe beyond salvation that this is True then how will you reach others? You give them the right to argue that you are wrong as you cannot show them the proof that God gives all believers through the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
I have witnessed to many men on the jobs about Jesus Christ and the gospel, and I am sure that I was not the only one that God had set in their lives to "run into." But the difference was, when they became injured and our paths crossed the Gospel could be "made real" to them by refreshing their memory of what they had been told, and then having the boldness to ask if they wanted prayer for their infirmity for healing. More times than not they actually watched there infirmity's vanish and complete healing take place. Vain sinners were dancing around saying with elation "praise God, thank you Jesus." God intervened in their lives because someone believed the "entire" Word of God and put it into practice, then God manifested His glory to prove His Word is True.
Men I used to work with came out of coma's in the Name of Jesus, sight restored, hearing opened. muteness rendered void. "Jesus came that we might have life and that more abundantly." Life for us and life for those that God would bring across our paths both eternal and physical. Jesus said, "go ye into all the earth, preach the gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons", so whats stopping the majority of us? Fear.........John said: "perfect love cast out fear".
If we have "perfect Love" toward God (for the Love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit), and our fellow man then God is free to "work His will" in our lives and in those He put around us for His glory.
All of this comes from the confidence we have by faith in His Word to believe "the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth" in Jesus name. Knowing that He will do His will to glorify His name and lift up Jesus to call all men unto Himself.
Convinced yet?
We are weak but He is strong. Do you want your strength or His?
Do you want your thoughts, ideas and interpretations or do you want His Word, promises, and Spirit?
Lets give faith a try from here on out. You know that your faith will grow as you hear and believe His Word. "Faith comes by hearing and that hearing by the Word of  God."
I have many things to write because, since I was saved, I made the Word of God the most important meat in my life by believing it without question or doubt. By faith.
I don't have all the answers but the ones I don't have I don't need at this time. God gives all wisdom in His time. As long as I am alive seeking His heart and face I will be open to the every growing revelation of Jesus Christ that He will give me "in His time!"
Sand or rock?
Real meat or milk?
Faith or doubt?
Unconditional Love or judgement?
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
I pray this small thought gives you hope and inspires you to greatness aiding His Kingdom to come.
God bless and keep.
J&E in Tn

Reflections on my "fist person" relationship with God.

I personally believe in a "first person relationship" with God. That means that it's God first in everything. Praying without ceasing, in everything giving thanks, bringing every thought into subjection to the mind of Christ, and being led by the Holy Spirit. Few people get to complete success in this arena during this life but you will never succeed if you don't start now. Having these Biblical practice on my side sets the "life filter" to fine filtering in everything I do. It helps me "think before I speak", and "listen to what's being said" before I react. It also helps me put "the mind of Christ" ahead of my mind of flesh. Just a great means of "slowing down" and "making me think" as I walk through the day just who I am representing with my life.

Love

J&E inTn

Maturity

Maturity: the word that encompasses every facet of our being, spiritual, mental, and physical. Most of us never realize that we "prove" our maturity by how we live our life, speak, think, express ourselves, and interact with others, both God and man.

It's a phenomenon that is the same on all levels of life, spiritual, physical, mental, all facets. It starts out on every level as a "baby" then is supposed to "grow" as we grow in all arenas. Each area that "we are" grows at different speeds based on "instruction, interest, and necessity". Some areas slower and others much quicker, again depending on what's important and "expected", but grow we must like it or not.

Some people think that "I don't care what people say, I can be myself and if people don't like it, tough." Well this is the kind of argument that shows that "maturity" isn't on their minds/hearts.

Anyone who refuses to grow up or mature becomes obvious to all around them.

Of all three arenas for maturity to not take place the worst is in the spiritual one. If we are spiritually "immature" all the other areas will be effected.

All our thoughts, words, and deeds come from our spiritual maturity side. The more lax we are here then the more lax we will be mentally and physically.

Spiritual growth/maturity comes from faith in God's Word: "now faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." No faith, no hearing, no spiritual growth. Don't confuse this with just reading the Word of God, because when we just read without faith to believe/obey then the only scripture we have on our side is "my Word shall not come back void." Reading with only the human intellect and not the Spirit of God, will eliminate the purpose of the Holy Spirit to "remind us and teach us all things that He said." Many people to date just read the Bible and have no more understanding then "the doctrines of man." "God's Word is spirit and it must be discerned spiritually. One of the true reasons for the baptism in the Holy Spirit. This is how the Christian "matures." The Holy Spirit also takes us from the "milk of the faith" into the "meat of the faith." If the babe, (both physical and spiritual), doesn't go from milk to real food they are unhealthy and many times perish.

Babe's always ask why, and then to the wrong person. Babe's look to those around them to give them the answer that they need to end the need.

Mature believers ask God first, and not just for the answers but for the grace to go through the situation, glorifying their Father in Heaven.

Spiritual maturity will give grace to:

Control the mind,

Control the mouth,

Control our thoughts,

Control our desires,

Control our hearts "as a man thinks in his heart so is he."

When we interact with others, all facets of maturity is immediately made known to those with whom we interact with. The tone of our expression, (malice, hate, foolishness, anger, putting down, insult, argument, and every foul way), proves to them how mature or immature we are, and spiritually (where we draw our moral compass from) where we are coming from, the influence of God or the devil.

The argument that God doesn't exist to allow for childlike behavior is at best an insult that paints a foolish self portrait.

Everyone starts somewhere as a babe.

Everyone wants to grow up and be respected at some point.

As believers we are instructed to "to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ", thereby becoming the vessel of God to glorify HIs name in all the earth.

This is a real growing maturity that is valuable in every facet that it is expressed in.

Love

J&E inTn

The wife and her value.

The Wife:
Many times I have posted about the relationship between man and woman as husband and wife.
Many times I have posted openly about the Unconditional Love that I have for my wife and how I express that.
I have received recurring communications from other peoples wives about how "their husbands don't treat them as precious." For a world view this is the normal, almost acceptable. But for the Christian husband and wife it is not only unacceptable, but it violates the precious comparison between "Christ and His bride (the church). Biblical marriage between a man and woman carries the same configuration of relationship as Christ and His bride. Nothing else in the Bible is given this incredible honor and responsibility as a man and woman in a Christian marriage.
With Christian marriages going south as much as secular marriages, or in some cases a higher percentage, what is wrong?
With Christian marriages on the down swing how does this effect Christ and His bride in the spirit realm?
We all know that for many things on earth there is a "type" in the heavens/spirit realm. Christ and His bride in the spirit realm and man and wife here on earth. Are they tied together by divine decree? Does the failure of marriages in the earthly realm warn us of the condition in the spirit realm? Is Christ and His bride suffering the same breakdown for the same reasons?
Lets look at several reasons for Christ and His bride being misrepresented as is a man and a woman in marriage.
Christ is the groom, His bride the church.
How does Christ treat His bride? Ephesians 5:25b "Husbands, so love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it."
He literally died for "His bride the church". He laid down His life to take ownership of His bride body, soul, and spirit. He did this out or love by extreme sacrifice for (us) His brides "total" good. This "total" good was both in the now, and in the forever. Our eternal good. Now I am not just talking about "for our best welfare", but for our "eternal good". We know that only God is good, so we can understand the good that only God is becomes our (His Brides) treatment by Christ our Groom. Unconditionally Loving good. We are treated this way not because of merit but because of Unconditional Love.
How does this "good" treatment relate to His bride the church?
Lets see:
He gave His life for us His bride........greatest blessing/miracle ever.
He meets all our needs.
He heals us.
He restores our soul.
He turns the evil worked against us into good.
He promises us spiritual gifts.
He endues us with power. (For those who will seek/tarry after the Holy Spirit)
He intercedes for us at the right hand of the Father.
He is tender to us (even when we deserve worse.)
He comforts us.
He rejoices over us.
He reveals Himself to us.
He gives us hope and the unending example to follow and how to express Unconditional Love.
The list goes on and on but by now you see that being part of His bride is to receive of His "goodness",
So if we His bride are this "precious", and this marriage of Christ and His believers are compared to the marriage of a man and a woman, then how precious should our wives be to us, their husbands?
Here in is the problem with marriages both religious and secular. We do not as "believers" transfer that Unconditional Love that we experience from our Groom to our wives.
Here are some reason we as men fail:
Ephesians 5:28
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Colossians 3:19
Husbands, Love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
Here is a good scriptural basis for a "self analysis" of our treatment of our wives and women to start with.
Do you love your wife like your own body? She knows if you do or not. They can tell just by the way you treat them against how you treat yourself. Here is a piece of Truth that sets free: Just ask her!
I bet in many cases the amount of money spent by the husband on toys outshines the amount of money spent on the things she needs to take care of the husband and the living quarters.
What about the husbands conversation with the wife? She doesn't think like a man so it's easy to see that she may not have the same thought patterns as the husband. She thinks as a woman, that's why you married her. She's different by God's design so that the two of you being united can complete each other and become one. Is your conversations a always "filled with grace?" Grace being Unconditional Love, unmerited favor, patience? Or is it critical, insulting, or abusive? Maybe your conversation is neither. Maybe it doesn't tear down nor build up. That's just as bad. Women are sensitive as to "how you talk" to them. Actions, demeanor, tone, and temperance speak louder than words, and if it doesn't edify then it rebuked. "Be ye not bitter against them!" Think before you speak, remember that the tongue "is unruly" and can shipwreck a relationship quickly.
"Dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel."
Hmmm! That's real wisdom there. "According to knowledge" didn't realize till now that this could mean that if you don't then you must be "unwise"? Maybe ignorant? I don't know what do you think?
"Giving honor to the wife", wow.......no wondering about what that means. A woman that is honored knows that she is treasured, respected, "precious."  Now that kind of treatment sets the wife free to "be in subjection to her husband"and builds up the marriage with love and appreciation.
Ever think why God's Word "commands" the husband to love the wife but only commands the wife to "be in subjection"? As we stated before: if the husband loves his wife with Unconditional Love in all his "thoughts, words, and deeds", then his wife will be set free to submit and then Unconditionally Love him back. They become one in spirit and in flesh. This is so powerful that they, in their Unconditional Love for one another show forth Christ and His bride, His church and how that Unconditional Love can work both in the spirit real and here on earth.
God is glorified through this kind of living and loving.
Regardless where you are starting in this application as a husband the time to make changes is now. The longer the wife is scorned through bad treatment, course language, or rough joking, the longer it will take to win her trust back and resolve the injuries. But be consistent! When you start pray for grace and rely on the Holy Spirit to give you a right heart, mind and tongue to carry out this task. Restore you marriage before you ruin it, if that's where you are now.
Remember that you can always get help from your wife by actually asking her to "make you aware" when you are falling away from this goal.
Pray for a dream or vision, or a revelation of the Love of Christ to help encourage and guide you. This actually happened to me when I asked God to teach me about Unconditional Love. But I sought it with all my heart for a long time, continually.
Here's what happened:
I was given a vision of the last supper, and the scriptures came alive.
John 13:23
"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved"

As I looked upon this vision I also felt the situation in it's spiritual significance. I looked upon James "the beloved" laying on Jesus bosom and Jesus went about the business at hand talking with His disciples. The moment was very tender and none of the other disciples even noticed this act of love. As I studied this vision I couldn't understand the whole significance of what it meant so I asked the Holy Spirit what it meant. He showed me that Jesus was showing His Love and acceptance of John and his expression of closeness by letting him experience the safe haven of True Love. How that True Love is not ashamed to receive any gesture of it's (moral) expression, and offers no resistance to it. In fact the person showing this tender and deep love could take confidence in the fact that the expression is accepted entirely and without resistance. 

Then He said "so it should be with your wife". The thought then came to me that my wife, (your wife), should not be afraid, ashamed, or other wise redirected to say or express anything to her husband that will be met with a withdrawing or negative attitude, action, or word. She should feel that on any level that I (you) are a safe haven for her thoughts, emotions, questions, dreams, needs, and the cares she expresses with an true interest in her expressions. Like John lying on Jesus bosom. Completely safe, loved, undeterred from his expression of closeness and knowing that he will in no wise receive rejection on any level now or later.

Well husbands the ball is in your court.

"For the Love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit".

"For we have all received of His goodness."

Maybe having received of both of the above we could "meet" some of it out to the next best gift that God gave us after Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Women are a precious gift and should be so treated.

Tell them you Love them.

Kiss them often and tenderly.

A hug now and then during the day won't hurt a thing.

Constantly tell them you Love them with all your sincerity, passion, words, and then show them how special they are in your deeds towards them.

Above all pray for them, respect them, honor them.

Love

J&E

First or second person believer. Which are you.

Are you a first or second person believer?
Does that question cause some curiosity?
Your one or the other so isn't it a time to find out?

As we have stated before that "to do anything outside of faith is sin." Romans 14:23b.
When we become Christians it is crucial for us that we come to terms with "faith" in it's full scriptural application so that we "sin not." This include how we approach our "walk with God", how we "grow in grace", how we understand the Scriptures, God's Holy Word. In fact nothing, nothing at all, can happen outside of faith!
Allow me to be forcefully emphatic here again............Nothing, not anything can be done outside of faith lest it be sin! Putting it blankly: Sin constitutes anything you think, do or say outside of faith.
All principles of Scripture are received by, and performed by faith, and faith alone. Nothing in God's Word comes "to us" or "through us" except by faith. Faith in God's Word, ( and we can have no other faith in anything as nothing on earth, man, beast, society, company, or entity, has the qualities that make God King of Kings and Lord of Lords) to believe in or give hope.
We have faith in God because He is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, without beginning or end, changeless in proclamation, and unwavering in Unconditional Love. He alone has offered the "real or True" things of this creation which is salvation and eternal life. Life as we see it or experience it now is temporary by God's design, and will fade or fail, but His promise (Jesus Christ) is eternal in the heavens, timeless here, and irrefutable both now and forever.
Again I must submit Romans 3:4 "Let God be True and every man a liar."
God implemented faith so that we can reunite with Him, both through salvation, "We are saved by grace through faith," and so that we can experience His promises in Christ "we must decrease, He (Christ) must increase," and "these things I (Christ) do you will do also, and greater things."
This encompasses the entire experience we call Christianity and none of it can be done outside of faith in God. "Have faith in God,"

With that background set we can answer our first question: "Are you a first or second person believer in God?"
Some now are asking: "Scripture doesn't make this differentiation, where is this coming from, is the author making up his own doctrine?"
Absolutely not. All of Scripture is full of this little seen fact, that truly there are both first and second person believers.
What is the difference? Simple. First person believers are those who "followed/were led by" God and God alone. They had a "relationship" with the Creator of the universe face to face or in a sense by dream or vision. These would be mentioned for just a few, Adam, Noah, Moses, Ezekiel, most of the major OT prophets, then Paul, Peter, James, John, most of the Apostles (as they followed Christ on earth), not a complete list but "witnessing" to the fact that many OT and NT had a relationship with God that was direct and without intervention of anyone else, sort of "face to face".
A note here is that all of these men had a personal encounter with their Creator and "heard His voice and followed." A strong encouragement here is that "these" are the men who "walked in power of the Holy Spirit and worked many great and mighty signs glorifying their Father in heaven." They, (the first person believers), were the ones that God used to "witness" His kingdom come through all the earth. And it is the same today.........though God will use any believer to work His will, there is certainly a division in who will be used the most, and who will be used because they are there and someone has need.
Elisha and Elijah were first person believers and both worked "signs and wonders" because they believed in the one who called them and heard His we small voice. Few others were used of God in raising the dead or healing the sick or averting disaster in Israel in the OT, them not being exclusive, but I won't go into all of the "men of God" or should I say "men used of God" during that time.
Again in the NT we had Peter, John, Paul, Stephen, Philip, and a few others that were "mighty in spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit", who were mightily used of God to proclaim His Kingdom, and to manifest His glory proving the Truth of His message through Christ and His salvation, and that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life/Light. God using man who communicated with Him face to face, their ears to His voice, and heart to His Spirit, to turn the world upside down as the Truth set hearts free and gave hope to a sinful and dying generation, and then to all who will come till creation ends.
I do not see anywhere in Scripture where this power, or anointing, given to halfhearted believers who having received their "ticket to the golden shore through Christ" would do any more to advance the Kingdom of God or make any effort to "grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." Herein is the sadness of "those of little faith" in this great Kingdom.
Keep in mind there is still to this day only a remnant contingency in the bride of Christ that still follow God through Jesus Christ and seek His presence "face to face."
Am I saying that the "remnant" are the only saved believers, soldiers in the army of God? Not at all. In the time of David the King there was a difference between his fighting men. Those who were his "Mighty Men" and those who fought behind them. The Mighty Men were in the forefront of battle, and by God's anointing, changing the tide in victory, and there were those behind participating but not to the degree that they were made mention of except that they were there.
Does this mean to say that we all don't make a difference? The true answer lies in the proof of your life. Everyone that calls upon the name of Jesus will be saved and used of Him for as much as they will "here His voice." Great or small, leader or servant, everyone has been given the ability to "be baptized in the Holy Spirit", "receive power from on high", walk in that Spirit", and to "do, (make manifest) the will of God. Everyone!
The only difference between face to face believers is that they "obey and fallow". They want God to make a difference through His intervention with mankind and are willing to "sacrifice" their "will" for His.

That being said then what are second person believers?
A second person believer is one that "needs" someone to stand between him and Christ or the Holy Spirit. They don't realize that the purpose of the pastors, teachers, prophets, or anyone who leads in Christ's church are there for encouragement, instruction, rebuke or guidance in the faith as they are led by the Holy Spirit. They are not in position to "replace" your personal, intimate relationship with God through Jesus Christ. They are His servants using His administrations and gifts through the Holy Spirit to "grow your faith" and encourage you in your relationship with "your" Father in heaven. They are not there for "position, praise, adulation, or special attention", but as servants, ones who are called and empowered by God, as under shepherds of Christ. Jesus gave us strong warning about the "Master and the student", He said: "the student can only be equal to his master." If man is "the master" (second person position), then his students can only attain equality to him. But if Christ is our "Master" then we can have the "Mind of Christ" and we become "His representatives here on earth."
So clearly in Scripture a person is a "second person believer" when he/she "needs" someone between them and Christ to continue their instruction of faith to maturity. They don't seek Scriptural promises such as the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", they don't "listen for the we small voice", they don't communicate with God our Father through the Lord Jesus Christ, they have no passionate heart to "follow in His ways, and they make little effort to acknowledge Him in all their ways.
Are these believers? Yes. Scripture says that "all" who call upon His name shall be saved. The motivated and the sluggard. A lot of which way the second person believers walk goes depends on the church they attend. Some church's encourage to be used of God according to the gifts and administration shown in Scripture, others don't acknowledge that any of these exists or are still in use by God.
Second person believers would rather (whether by ignorance or denial) follow the doctrines of man rather than God because it's less complicated, demanding, or just plain easier. Having been told that the gifts and calling and elections of God have been eliminated by dispensation they have no hope of anything better. They pass through this life asking questions about "why this God or why that" because they have no "personal revelation" of who God is or what He can and will do. God, for them is standing behind man, not Christ, as the filter for approval. This just can't work as clearly Jesus Christ is the Gate to God's fellowship and Fatherhood.
Second person believing is always fraught with "lack of faith", "lack of hope", and "lack of victory." Does God Love them and desire to use them for His Kingdom? Absolutely!
Sadly, the only thing that stands between any believer in Christ and intimacy with God is themselves, a closed heart, and a lack of faith being that: "though they hear the Word they comprehend it not", and "faith comes by hearing and that by the Word of God."
Sometimes the only effect that God's Word is guaranteed is that "it won't come back void."
The "catch all guarantee", made necessary, God already knowing the "heart of man" before He "created all things."
Second person believers can have hope, as do we all, because all they have to do is change "focus" from man as master and "turn their eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face", making Him the object of all intimacy, and man only as one who completes his God given revelation in the "Body of Christ." At this time God will make good all His precious promises which avail themselves to every believer in Christ by faith.

In closing:
You alone have a choice as to "how you will follow Jesus and fellowship with God."
Choose wisely because your life in Christ will be strongly effected.
Christianity is an "experience in faith through Christ." Living, powerful, full of victory and hope.
Being used of God according to Scripture is one of the most humbling but encouraging experiences you can ever know.
Emmanuel: God in us.
The greatest miracle of eternity.
Jesus properly enthroned in our hearts "working the will of the Father" through us.

Pray for pastors, teachers, prophets, deacons and elders that are "led of the Spirit."
Follow the masters that follow "the Master", and seek His face and intimacy with Him,
God bless and keep.
In Christ
J&E in Tn

2nd post of Isaiah 40:31 "Waiting on the Lord" because of the times we live in.

Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew [their] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.
Let’s start by asking the question here: "When is your time to wait upon the Lord?" 
Start of day?
Midday?
End of day?
During the "night watch?"
How about "all of the above?"
Let’s look at the way the Scripture above starts: “But they that wait upon the Lord”. Notice that there is no reference to time here. Not beginning of day, nor any specific time of day at all, but only “those that wait.” We wait by “staying” our minds on Him. 
Isaiah 26:3: 
“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace who’s mind is stayed on thee.”
When our mind is “stayed on thee” we automatically “bring every thought into captivity.”
2 Corinthians 10:5 
 “and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
When all our thoughts are “obedient to Christ’s” He doesn’t have to “get our attention”, He already “has our attention.” All the time, anytime! To have this function in our hearts makes our hearing “of the we small voice” keener and our moving into “His presence” a natural part of our life. Most of us know that we are always in His presence because “in Him we live and move and have our being”, but whether or not we are aware of that as a focus is another matter. If we are mature enough in Christ our focus is always to “here the Master speaking and do His will.” Thus the “waiting” upon the Lord merely becomes a practice in sensitivity. 
Also note that the opposite of waiting is “impatience” which everyone has experienced along with the side effects of “being wrung out”, tired, weary. But waiting “renews our strength,” and mounts us up with wings as eagles.” There by experiencing times of refreshing, revelation, and deliverance.
The more you are filled with His Word, the more you will see His glory set forth in His creation and your waiting will be satisfied by His meeting you where you are, ”always, all ways and any time day or night.” For me this can take place in a “wake up call” during the night, reading/ listening to His Word, hearing a worship song, or just expressing a prayer of thanksgiving as I walk or work. The times of “waiting on the Lord” are as endless as life itself and the sooner we “seek” them the sooner we will be satisfied with “strength.” Then the rest of the verse can come to past “they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.”
This is the reward of “perfecting the presence of God.”
God bless and keep.
Love
J&E